Scarborough Subway Extension

March 2017 Stakeholder Advisory Group Meeting Minutes



Date of Meeting: Feb 28, 2017

Start Time: 5:30 PM

Project Name Scarborough Subway Extension EA

Location: Committee Room 1 & 2, Scarborough Civic Centre

Regarding Stakeholder Advisory Group Meeting

Minutes Prepared By City of Toronto


On Tuesday, February 28, 2017, from 5:30 to 7:00 p.m., the City of Toronto and TTC hosted a Stakeholder Advisory Group (SAG) meeting for the Scarborough Subway Extension project assessment study. The purpose of the SAG is to provide organizations representing a broad range of interests within the study area, the opportunity to learn about and ask staff questions of the study.


This fifth meeting focused on:


1. A review of the Staff Report and Recommendations

2. An overview of the alignment evaluation and bus terminal options

3. Next Steps


Thirteen (13) SAG member organizations were represented, as well as five (5) staff members representing the City of Toronto, TTC and consultants.


The format of the meeting included a presentation, followed by a Q&A session.  The minutes below outline the questions, comments and feedback received during the SAG meeting.



CodeRedTO Patricia Wood

Ward 40 Councillor Norm Kelly

Ward 41 Councillor Chin Lee

Ward 41 James Burchell (Councillor Chin Lee)

Ward 38 Councillor De Baeremaeker

Ward 38  Gwen Mackay (Councillor De Baeremaeker)

City of Toronto Alan Filipuzzi

Glen Andrew Community Association Gary Comeau

Kevric Real Estate Corp Inc Mike Zenker

Scarborough Transit Action Brenda Thompson

Scarborough Town Centre Thien Nguyen

Sheppard East Village BIA Ernie McCullough

Sheppard Subway Action Coalition Pat Sherman

Sheppard Subway Action Coalition Lai Chu


TTC Gary Carr, Project Manager, SSE

City of Toronto Mike Logan, Acting Program Manager, Transit Implementation Unit

City of Toronto Gary Papas, Transportation Planner, Transit Implementation Unit

City of Toronto Nish Bala, Senior Consultation Coordinator, Transit Implementation Unit


Introductions and Presentation

Mike Logan opened the meeting providing brief introductions. Mike and Gary Papas then provided an update presentation on the March 7, 2017 staff report to Executive Committee and next steps, leading to the Q&A period.


Question and Answer Period

The discussion captured during the question and answer period following the presentation is summarized below. Questions are noted with a “Q”, comments with a “C” and answers with “A”. Answers were provided by Mike and Gary unless otherwise specified.



Q: How will car movement around Scarborough Centre be considered?

A: The road network is a key part of the work being done by the Scarborough Centre Transportation Master Plan.  Car movement in and out of Scarborough centre will be a key part of the study.


Q: Will GO buses have access to the bus station?

A:  There will be six bus bays dedicated to GO buses.


Q: How many bays does the TTC use now and how many bays are dedicated to the TTC in the bus terminal?

A: The TTC currently uses 19 bays and will increase to 24 bays in the bus terminal.


Q: How will the bus service in the area improve with the new bus terminal?

A: The larger bus station allows the TTC to explore the expansion of bus routes into Scarborough Centre. New routes will feed into Scarborough Centre and help improve the bus service in the area.


Q: Are there concerns about ventilation with the staked bus terminal?

A: There will be 18 bus bays on the lower level of the station, 12 bus bay on the upper level and 4 on Borough Road. Proper ventilation will be considered throughout the design of the terminal.


Q: How does the 34 bay bus terminal compare to others in the City?

A: It would be the largest in the city. In 1978, Wilson station opened with 18 bays and expanded the terminal to a total of 24 bays as it was an end of line station. TTC will utilize the bays by integrating more bus connections into Scarborough Centre.


Q: Why is the Triton option better than the at-grade option?

A: Triton design allows for the expansion of the street network and encourages mixed-use, high-rise developments to locate here. It ensure future east-west road connections would not be precluded in the future, creating a more finer grained street network. The design supports walking around the centre and crossing McCowan Road and the Bus terminal.


Q: Will there be any new parking locations at Scarborough Centre?

A: The City is working with the Toronto Parking Authority to identify new parking locations in the Centre.  However, the vision for Scarborough Centre is not to increase parking. Like most downtowns, the vision for Scarborough Centre is to transform it into a vibrant urban node that is not dominated by vehicles and parking.

C: Parking is important and should be considered. There will be lots of people who will drive into Scarborough Centre and take the subway to downtown.


Q: Will there be a passenger pick-up and drop-off (PPUDO) location at the station?

A: A designated PPUDO location has not been considered in the scope of this project. But we can go back and consider opportunities as designs become more defined.


Q: Is there an opportunity for the Sheppard subway to connect with the recommended station location?

A:  There were two technically feasible alignments that came out of the Sheppard Subway Environmental Assessment: the approved Kennedy-Progress alignment, and the Sheppard-McCowan alignment. The Sheppard-McCowan alignment could be connected to the recommend SSE McCowan Express alignment. If the approved Kennedy-Progress alignment is preferred, it could come in to Scarborough Centre subway station as an interchange station, similar to Yonge-Bloor Station.  The SSE could also extend north to connect to the future Sheppard East LRT.


Q: How has the estimated project cost been verified?

A:  The cost estimates for the project were peer reviewed and verified by Hanscomb Limited – a cost estimation expert. The Hanscomb Limited report is found in appendix 5 of the staff report.


Q:  When will the project be brought forward to City Council?

A: If the staff report is approved by the Executive Committee, it will be on the March 28th City Council agenda. Following that meeting, the project will be back to Council with greater cost certainty at 30% design, sometime in late 2018.


Q: Why was the "big bend" design not further considered by the project team?

A: The "big bend" alignment would have its station in the vicinity of the existing Scarborough Centre Station, which would result in the closure of the SRT throughout the duration of construction.

Q: In the past, the TTC has considered closing the SRT why is that considered a problem considereproblem now?

A: The LRT alignment could only be placed in the SRT corridor, therefore there were no options other than to shut down the SRT. However, today with a subway, we have options available to us that can keep the SRT operational until the completion of the subway.


Q: When will the subway be operational?

A: Current projected date is Q2 2026.


Q: What are the plans for the existing SRT infrastructure once the subway is operational?

A: There are a variety of options being considered, however staff have no recommendations at this time.

C: I would suggest Bus rapid lanes in the SRT right-of-way.

C: Councillor De Baeremaeker passed a motion at City Council to consider a Scarborough high line project and to dedicate the space as a trail and park.


Q: Will the bus terminal and subway station open at the same time?

A: It will be a phased approach with half the bus terminal and subway operational in phase one.  Phase 2 will include the decommissioning the SRT and completion of the bus terminal.


Meeting Adjournment

Following the Q&A period, Mike Logan thanked all SAG members for attending the meeting and asked if there were any final questions or comments. No additional questions were received and the meeting was adjourned at 7:00 pm.


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